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From: Z T Minhas <ztminhas@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Subject: [bangla-vision] Re: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams.

 

I guarantee you I did not start this list nor do i promote or expand this list. You will rarely find me posting. When i do however it is a few emails at a time and then several weeks of not emailing anything. I did not initiate this discussion either. However whn your emil is bombed by the likes of this crazy ABCD/DBC/CAMP member Shazia and this murtad Tarek then please there is a limit to what one can hold back.

Z T

 

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To: kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com>; jalal zuberi <jalalzuberi@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams.

Dear Jalal Zuberi SAheb,   I sympathasize with you. I am suffering from the same problem.   These are private lists and no one person controls them. Each a nd every member of this list will have to delete your name every time they send a message or reply to a message in the chain.   Such lists are like black holes, once you are in, you are in for ever.   Good luck.   Thank you.   Sincerely,   Syed-Mohsin Naquvi ======================= --- On Wed, 8/11/10, jalal zuberi <jalalzuberi@yahoo.com> wrote: From: jalal zuberi <jalalzuberi@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. To: "kaukab siddique" <butshikan@msn.com> Cc: ztminhas@yahoo.com, shaziaslist@yahoogroups.com, tarekfatah@rogers.com, minayet@yahoo.com, ummaabroadcasting@rollanet.org, azam.sikandar@gmail.com, mnaquvi@yahoo.com, tirmidhi@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, yasminsurani@hotmail.com, great72000@yahoo.com, hassan_javid@hotmail.com, zuhdi@aifdemocracy.org, drzahidimran@gmail.com, aleem.faizee@gmail.com, farzanaqazi@yahoo.com, rafiq786@cbn.net.id, mustafvi@gmail.com, faruquealamgir@yahoo.com, drshabbir@comcast.net, salsabeel65@yahoo.com, khasif235e@yahoo.com, zakhum@hotmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, zina.khan@yahoo.com, firasat777@yahoo.com, anwerkhurshid@hotmail.com, yunussidira@yahoo.com, bintwaleed@yahoo.com, fidvi@hotmail.com, premsadani@hotmail.com, ssmeezan@hotmail.com, wyeknotusa@aol.com, ahlam_albahr@yahoo.com, amino66@hotmail.com, webmaster9@mostmerciful.com, k2411871@hotmail.com, pk4318@yahoo.com, sohail972002@yahoo.co.in, afg_fitnesstrainer@hotmail.com, hasniessa@yahoo.com, april702@cox.net, auzyxkhan@yahoo.co.uk, arjumand_82@yahoo.co.in, gul_badshah@yahoo.com, shariq.hamid@yahoo.co.in, bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com, ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com, sarwar@muslim-ed-trust.org.uk, mirza.syed@gmail.com, khattak99@yahoo.com, brilliant005@hotmail.com, pakistanpost@yahoogroups.com, karimsamani@yahoo.com, syedmansoorhussain@hotmail.com, sulejmanaga@yahoo.com, rishidwivedi1@gmail.com, ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com, moderate53@yahoo.com, aaquib98@yahoo.com, gafoor111@yahoo.com, ihro@yahoogroups.com, doctorforu123@yahoo.com, multiculturalism-pluralismgroup@yahoogroups.com, cssharif@yahoo.com, yas1khan@hotmail.com, niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk, mikeghouse@aol.com, umah.hai@hotmail.com, purdah52@hotmail.com, tahirakhan@comcast.net, pakistan-zindabad@yahoogroups.com, jalalzuberi@yahoo.com, national-students-federation-pakistan@yahoogroups.com, syedmae@yahoo.com, writers_forum@yahoogroups.com, drmookhi@hotmail.com, shafiq@giki.edu.pk, crdp@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:23 PM Ms Kaukab and ZT: I don't know who started this list but I would like my name crossed from this list. I don't wish to receive any further communication.  Thank You. Jalal  From: kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> To: ztminhas@yahoo.com; shaziashazya@yahoo.com Cc: shaziaslist@yahoogroups.com; tarekfatah@rogers.com; minayet@yahoo.com; ummaabroadcasting@rollanet.org; azam.sikandar@gmail.com; mnaquvi@yahoo.com; tirmidhi@hotmail.com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; yasminsurani@hotmail.com; great72000@yahoo.com; hassan_javid@hotmail.com; zuhdi@aifdemocracy.org; drzahidimran@gmail.com; aleem.faizee@gmail.com; farzanaqazi@yahoo.com; rafiq786@cbn.net.id; mustafvi@gmail.com; faruquealamgir@yahoo.com; drshabbir@comcast.net; salsabeel65@yahoo.com; khasif235e@yahoo.com; zakhum@hotmail.com; ank2000pk@yahoo.com; zina.khan@yahoo.com; firasat777@yahoo.com; anwerkhurshid@hotmail.com; yunussidira@yahoo.com; bintwaleed@yahoo.com; fidvi@hotmail.com; premsadani@hotmail.com; ssmeezan@hotmail.com; wyeknotusa@aol.com; ahlam_albahr@yahoo.com; amino66@hotmail.com; webmaster9@mostmerciful.com; k2411871@hotmail.com; pk4318@yahoo.com; sohail972002@yahoo.co.in; afg_fitnesstrainer@hotmail.com; hasniessa@yahoo.com; april702@cox.net; auzyxkhan@yahoo.co.uk; arjumand_82@yahoo.co.in; gul_badshah@yahoo.com; shariq.hamid@yahoo.co.in; bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com; ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com; sarwar@muslim-ed-trust.org.uk; mirza.syed@gmail.com; khattak99@yahoo.com; brilliant005@hotmail.com; pakistanpost@yahoogroups.com; karimsamani@yahoo.com; syedmansoorhussain@hotmail.com; sulejmanaga@yahoo.com; rishidwivedi1@gmail.com; ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com; moderate53@yahoo.com; aaquib98@yahoo.com; gafoor111@yahoo.com; ihro@yahoogroups.com; doctorforu123@yahoo.com; multiculturalism-pluralismgroup@yahoogroups.com; cssharif@yahoo.com; yas1khan@hotmail.com; niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk; mikeghouse@aol.com; umah.hai@hotmail.com; purdah52@hotmail.com; tahirakhan@comcast.net; pakistan-zindabad@yahoogroups.com; jalalzuberi@yahoo.com; national-students-federation-pakistan@yahoogroups.com; syedmae@yahoo.com; writers_forum@yahoogroups.com; drmookhi@hotmail.com; shafiq@giki.edu.pk; crdp@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 10:37:35 PM Subject: RE: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. She's very confused.   Islam is the only religion which gives women inheritance rights. Without Shar'ia women have no inheritance rights. In America, a man can will his ENTIRE property to one person. There are no God-given rights here.   In America, 4,000,000 on an average are battered annually. These are so badly beaten that they end up in a shelter or with police. Lesser beatings are not recorded.   In Pakistan, if you beat your wife, her relatives will come and beat you. Pakistani feudal lords [very Americanized] do get away with beatings but the family system is still strong.  Looks like Ms. Shazia has been awash in anti-Islam propaganda. She writes: "some say women had better status before Islam came. there is so much fabrication and lies in the history and hadees that it is impossible to tell now."  She has obviously read some anti-Hadith stuff somewhere.  Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:25:29 -0700 From: ztminhas@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. To: shaziashazya@yahoo.com CC: shaziaslist@yahoogroups.com; butshikan@msn.com; tarekfatah@rogers.com; minayet@yahoo.com; ummaabroadcasting@rollanet.org; azam.sikandar@gmail.com; mnaquvi@yahoo.com; tirmidhi@hotmail.com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; yasminsurani@hotmail.com; great72000@yahoo.com; hassan_javid@hotmail.com; zuhdi@aifdemocracy.org; drzahidimran@gmail.com; aleem.faizee@gmail.com; farzanaqazi@yahoo.com; rafiq786@cbn.net.id; mustafvi@gmail.com; faruquealamgir@yahoo.com; drshabbir@comcast.net; salsabeel65@yahoo.com; khasif235e@yahoo.com; zakhum@hotmail.com; ank2000pk@yahoo.com; zina.khan@yahoo.com; firasat777@yahoo.com; anwerkhurshid@hotmail.com; yunussidira@yahoo.com; bintwaleed@yahoo.com; fidvi@hotmail.com; premsadani@hotmail.com; ssmeezan@hotmail.com; wyeknotusa@aol.com; ahlam_albahr@yahoo.com; amino66@hotmail.com; webmaster9@mostmerciful.com; k2411871@hotmail.com; pk4318@yahoo.com; sohail972002@yahoo.co.in; afg_fitnesstrainer@hotmail.com; hasniessa@yahoo.com; april702@cox.net; auzyxkhan@yahoo.co.uk; arjumand_82@yahoo.co.in; gul_badshah@yahoo.com; shariq.hamid@yahoo.co.in; bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com; ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com; sarwar@muslim-ed-trust.org.uk; mirza.syed@gmail.com; khattak99@yahoo.com; brilliant005@hotmail.com; pakistanpost@yahoogroups.com; karimsamani@yahoo.com; syedmansoorhussain@hotmail.com; sulejmanaga@yahoo.com; rishidwivedi1@gmail.com; ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com; moderate53@yahoo.com; aaquib98@yahoo.com; gafoor111@yahoo.com; ihro@yahoogroups.com; doctorforu123@yahoo.com; multiculturalism-pluralismgroup@yahoogroups.com; cssharif@yahoo.com; yas1khan@hotmail.com; niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk; mikeghouse@aol.com; umah.hai@hotmail.com; purdah52@hotmail.com; tahirakhan@comcast.net; pakistan-zindabad@yahoogroups.com; jalalzuberi@yahoo.com; national-students-federation-pakistan@yahoogroups.com; syedmae@yahoo.com; writers_forum@yahoogroups.com; drmookhi@hotmail.com; shafiq@giki.edu.pk; crdp@yahoogroups.com Patronizing, ignorant, and stupid at same time... she's batting a 1000 .... Z T On 8/12/2010 12:21 AM, shazia shazya wrote: Anyways. did not mean to insult you or hurt ur feelings. my apologies if u felt that way. Sent from Shazia's 4G magical iPhone. On Aug 11, 2010, at 4:59 PM, shazia shazya <shaziashazya@yahoo.com> wrote: First I placed this mail in trash. as I said before that any conversation with someone who believes in sharia is total waste of time and energy. if education, living in west, and civilization did not teach them anything, what can I do? but since I have another hour to kill in this car before we get to our destination, let me try. here is mr. kaoukab's mail and my answers. On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:33 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn. com> wrote: kaukab sahib writes: Looks like your computer is in bad shape or you are getting confused. All the women in my family are highly educated, probably more than you judging from your writing. my answer: :) he writes: Shari'a is the only law in the world which fixes shares for women in inheritance. No other religion does so. my answer: I always find this argument insane and utterly stupid uttering. who said that other religions gave women equal rights? or equal share in property? in USA they did not even have right to vote back then. equality is finally obtained by women after struggle of centuries. we want to keep it that way. experts and historians do say the Mohammad pbuh did his best for women he could at that time, in that Arab society they did not give women even half the rights. but then i read somewhere how hind's father treated her like a princess. some say women had better status before Islam came. there is so much fabrication and lies in the history and hadees that it is impossible to tell now. but we do not live in that century now and we need to give women equal rights in inheritance and in everything. now we know that women have similar or higher intellect and are equal humans. sharia can not be applied now. it does not give women equal rights. he wrote: Shari'a does not permit the male to batter a woman or to commit adultery. Under the US system 4,000,000 are battered every yeart and male adultery is more the norm rather than the exception. My answer: fool someone else. or perhaps u r fooling yourself only. Quran does appoint a man over a woman and yes there r ayats that allow men to stop woman first by talks and then allow to hit her. battery is common in Muslim world and in USA. adultery too is just as common in both Muslim world and in USA. the difference is that in USA there r strict laws against spousal abuse and those r applied strictly. men in Pakistan and Muslim world go unchecked year after year after year of hitting their wives. they do this in the name of religion. here law puts an end to abuse. Muslim men make 101 excuses for their own adultery and promiscuity including but not limited to mutta and women under right hand, while western men though r ( 80 percent they say) unfaithful, accept the same from their women too. they know that their women have the right to do the same as well. (they do not sleep around themselves and demand virgin wives.) people( especially women) are not stoned to death here in USA for adultery. still in certain Muslim countries women r stoned to death. now after living in USA, you perhaps know what free will is. no one should be stoned to death for adultery. it's not state's business. it's couple's own responsibility to deal with it in whatever manner they choose. our mullas keep multiple wives to satisfy their own promiscuity, but try to brain wash their women that women r only to please their husbands and needs and desires r different in men and women, so their wives r not supposed to desire anything and if they did, for wives it's sin. He wrote: In my Jamaat, women have leadership positions. My daughter runs marathons. my answer: then u r terribly confused. taking advantage of freedom west gave u and yet talking about sharia with out even knowing what implications would really be of sharia law. he wrote: I teach women and most of them get better grades than men. my answer: how do u explain then women's right to be only half witness ? as sharia says. u r terribly confused. do u ever think? why r women half witness if their grades r better? He says: Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic country. It is ruled by a family. Laws can be misused. That does not mean we should not have laws. It means we should have just laws. my answer: LOL. ask Saudis if they accept your accusation of them not being a Muslim country. you r not the only Muslim who claims to be the only one who "knows" Islam well. all of them do. they all say their version is correct. he said: I hope you will apologize to me with good grace for your blunder in misreading me. If you don't go to a mosque and do not practice Islam, why not say so? This is a free country. my answer : why do u keep asking me a personal question that if I go to mosque or not? did I ask u that why u on one hand demand sharia laws and on other hand let your daughter run with and infront of na- mehrams? Sincererly Kaukab Siddique, PhD CC: butshikan@msn. com; shaziaslist@ yahoogroups. com; tarekfatah@rogers. com; minayet@yahoo. com; ummaabroadcasting@ rollanet. org; azam.sikandar@gmail.com; mnaquvi@yahoo. com; tirmidhi@hotmail. com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; yasminsurani@hotmail.com; great72000@yahoo. com; hassan_javid@hotmail.com; zuhdi@aifdemocracy. org; drzahidimran@gmail.com; aleem.faizee@gmail.com; farzanaqazi@yahoo.com; rafiq786@cbn. net.id; mustafvi@gmail. com; faruquealamgir@yahoo.com; drshabbir@comcast. net; salsabeel65@yahoo.com; khasif235e@yahoo. com; zakhum@hotmail. com; ank2000pk@yahoo. com; zina.khan@yahoo. com; firasat777@yahoo. com; anwerkhurshid@hotmail.com; yunussidira@yahoo.com; bintwaleed@yahoo. com; fidvi@hotmail. com; premsadani@hotmail. com; ssmeezan@hotmail. com; wyeknotusa@aol. com; ahlam_albahr@yahoo.com; amino66@hotmail. com; webmaster9@mostmerciful.com; k2411871@hotmail. com; pk4318@yahoo. com; sohail972002@ yahoo.co. in; afg_fitnesstrainer@hotmail.com; hasniessa@yahoo. com; april702@cox. net; auzyxkhan@yahoo.co.uk; arjumand_82@ yahoo.co. in; gul_badshah@yahoo.com; shariq.hamid@ yahoo.co. in; bangla-vision@ yahoogroups. com; ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com; sarwar@muslim- ed-trust.org.uk; mirza.syed@gmail. com; khattak99@yahoo. com; brilliant005@hotmail.com; pakistanpost@ yahoogroups. com; karimsamani@yahoo.com; syedmansoorhussain@hotmail.com; sulejmanaga@yahoo.com; rishidwivedi1@gmail.com; ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com; ztminhas@yahoo. com; moderate53@yahoo. com; aaquib98@yahoo. com; gafoor111@yahoo. com; ihro@yahoogroups. com; doctorforu123@yahoo.com; multiculturalism- pluralismgroup@ yahoogroups. com; cssharif@yahoo. com; yas1khan@hotmail. com; niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk; mikeghouse@aol. com; umah.hai@hotmail. com; purdah52@hotmail. com; tahirakhan@comcast. net; pakistan-zindabad@ yahoogroups. com; jalalzuberi@yahoo.com; national-students- federation- pakistan@ yahoogroups. com; syedmae@yahoo. com; writers_forum@ yahoogroups. com; drmookhi@hotmail. com; shafiq@giki. edu.pk From: shaziashazya@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [shaziaslist] Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:11:44 -0400 To: shaziaslist@ yahoogroups. com not to mention that these infidels accept a woman's witness as full. I mean, how crazy is that? we all know that men have superior intellect. women forget the incident. look around u how men r performing better. I m sure, a woman student of yours never scores better than a guy. they also give women a right to divorce and equal inheritance. they also say that a wife can give divorce, can drive or leave her house with out husbands permission. why would u raise ur daughter at such terrible place where sharia laws r not applied? Sent from Shazia's 4G magical iPhone. On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:54 PM, shazia shazya <shaziashazya@yahoo.com> wrote: Kaukab sahib: what r u doing here on the land of infidels?! women do not cover up. they do not cut those damn thieves hands and instead try to rehabilitate the thieves. they do not stone women to death if they have sex with their free will, as u and me both know that when a man does it, it's mutta and when a women does it, whore simply needs to die. they even send their women to school. they let their women swim. I mean how crazy is that??? we all know women if not covered from head to toe create extreme hormonal rush in men that can lead to fitna. I mean responsibly ultimately lies on women. they r the honor keeper. men r just going to be men and not to be blamed. go to Saudi Arabia where u can fulfill Sunna and keep four wives who clean, cook and obey. just like God intended them to be. or is it money that u do not leave this country for??? Sent from Shazia's 4G magical iPhone. On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:44 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn. com> wrote: My dear Shazia I am a US citizen. I teach at America's oldest Black university. I teach mass communication and World Literature along with English. I travel to mosques across America. There is no Muslim opposing Shar'ia. Do you go to a mosque? Which one? If you are simply against Islamic Law, why don't you say so? Under US law, we have the right to follow Shar'ia. Why is that problematic for you? Calm down and explain. Tarek Fatah has no support in Canada. If Zionist media were not publishing his hatred of Islam, he would be unknown. Mike Ghouse belongs to a tiny sect. US Muslims do not follow his sect. He is on the Internet. Go to a mosque and ask people if people there are against Islamic Law. There are several million US Muslims. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:28:30 -0700 From: shaziashazya@yahoo.com Subject: Re: US Muslim majority wants Shar'ia. RE: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. To: butshikan@msn. com CC: shaziaslist@ yahoogroups. com; tarekfatah@rogers. com; minayet@yahoo. com; ummaabroadcasting@ rollanet. org; azam.sikandar@gmail.com; mnaquvi@yahoo. com; tirmidhi@hotmail. com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; yasminsurani@hotmail.com; great72000@yahoo. com; hassan_javid@hotmail.com; zuhdi@aifdemocracy. org; drzahidimran@gmail.com; aleem.faizee@gmail.com; farzanaqazi@yahoo.com; rafiq786@cbn. net.id; mustafvi@gmail. com; faruquealamgir@yahoo.com; drshabbir@comcast. net; salsabeel65@yahoo.com; khasif235e@yahoo. com; zakhum@hotmail. com; ank2000pk@yahoo. com; zina.khan@yahoo. com; firasat777@yahoo. com; anwerkhurshid@hotmail.com; yunussidira@yahoo.com; bintwaleed@yahoo. com; fidvi@hotmail. com; premsadani@hotmail. com; ssmeezan@hotmail. com; wyeknotusa@aol. com; ahlam_albahr@yahoo.com; amino66@hotmail. com; webmaster9@mostmerciful.com; k2411871@hotmail. com; pk4318@yahoo. com; sohail972002@ yahoo.co. in; afg_fitnesstrainer@hotmail.com; hasniessa@yahoo. com; april702@cox. net; auzyxkhan@yahoo.co.uk; arjumand_82@ yahoo.co. in; gul_badshah@yahoo.com; shariq.hamid@ yahoo.co. in; bangla-vision@ yahoogroups. com; ahmadtotonji@yahoo.com; sarwar@muslim- ed-trust.org.uk; mirza.syed@gmail. com; khattak99@yahoo. com; brilliant005@hotmail.com; pakistanpost@ yahoogroups. com; karimsamani@yahoo.com; syedmansoorhussain@hotmail.com; sulejmanaga@yahoo.com; rishidwivedi1@gmail.com; ghulammuhammed3@gmail.com; ztminhas@yahoo. com; moderate53@yahoo. com; aaquib98@yahoo. com; gafoor111@yahoo. com; ihro@yahoogroups. com; doctorforu123@yahoo.com; multiculturalism- pluralismgroup@ yahoogroups. com; cssharif@yahoo. com; yas1khan@hotmail. com; niyasabbas@yahoo.co.uk; mikeghouse@aol. com; umah.hai@hotmail. com; purdah52@hotmail. com; tahirakhan@comcast. net; pakistan-zindabad@ yahoogroups. com; jalalzuberi@yahoo.com; national-students- federation- pakistan@ yahoogroups. com; syedmae@yahoo. com; writers_forum@ yahoogroups. com; drmookhi@hotmail. com; shafiq@giki. edu.pk Mr/Ms. Kaoukab: Your name does not tell me if you r a woman or man. I find it total waste of time to communicate with a person who says that there is nothing wrong with sharia laws. Discussion ends here for me. I hope you r living in a country where sharia laws r practiced. Saudi arabia that is. Leave us alone in America and in Pakistan for heaven's sake. Sent from Shazia's fabulous iPad! On Aug 11, 2010, at 12:19 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn. com> wrote: Ms. Shazia Muslims have the constitutional and legal right to live as Muslims in America. Loving America does not mean that Muslims should support war against Muslims, endorse occupation of Muslim countries and legitimize Israel. Those who love America should oppose war. Shar'ia or Islamic Law is our right. Are you ashamed of being Muslim? why are you so scared of supporting Islam? Remember, even Obama thinks Islam is okay. Are you worried and fearful? What's the problem? Does America oppose shari'a or are you opposing Shari'a? Kaukab Siddique, PhD Associate Professor of English & Mass Communication Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:07:40 -0700 From: shaziashazya@yahoo.com Subject: American physicians of Pakistani descent and imams. 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We feel blessed to be here and love our adopted homeland. That shows in everything that we do. It shows always in our meetings and did show in Dallas as well that we are all American now and love America. We also love stars and stripes and I for sure love USA constitution. That gives me equal rights. What ( or who) i do not like is imam Faisal. He is abusing the USA constitution. He is using the freedom given by America against America. That man is fitna. I know the "constitutional rights" of us Muslims here. And apparently so does imam Faisal. Look where leaving these fanatics unchecked left England today. They actually are demanding sharia laws there in England. Every Muslim knows and only few have the courage to say that this mosque is a victory mosque. To me that time is not far when they will put me in burka again. shoot me please before that day comes! APPNA - Association of Physicians of Pakistani Descent of North America Sent from Shazia's fabulous iPad! On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Taseer Cheema <taseer_cheema@yahoo.com> wrote: Tarek wrote: I was there in Dallas on July 2-4 and noticed the conspicuous absence of the Stars and Stripes at the convention of some of the riches Pakistanis in America. What does this say to the ordinary American? Perhaps you didn't attend the Saturday night dinner which was the main event so to say. Stars and stripes were hanging there and the guests stood up to honor the National Anthem. Any more dis information mr tarek? اللة حافظ تاثير احمد Yeah Aarzoo Bhee Bohat Cheez hai Mager Hamdam WISAAL e Yaar Faqat Aarzoo Ki Baat Nahin Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Tarek Fatah <tarekfatah@rogers. com> wrote: I was there in Dallas on July 2-4 and noticed the conspicuous absence of the Stars and Stripes at the convention of some of the riches Pakistanis in America. 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