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The Qur'an and the Bible, in the light of Science - Part 1B
(Br Sabeel Ahmed) As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah. It is my pleasure to introduce one of the best scholars of our time, Dr. Zakir Abdul Karim Naik. Age 34 years old, he is the president of Islamic Research Foundation, Bombay, India. Though a medical doctor by professional training, Dr. Zakir Naik is known as a dynamic international orator, in Islam and comparative Religion. Dr. Zakir Naik clarifies Islamic view points, and clears misconceptions about Islam, based upon the Qur'an, Hadith and the other Religious Scriptures, as well as adhering to reason logic and scientific facts.
He is popular for his critical analysis and convincing answers to challenging questions posed by audiences, after his public talks. In the last four years itself, Dr. Zakir Naik has delivered more than 400 public lectures world wide, in addition to many public talks in India. He appears regularly on many international TV and Satellite TV channel programs in several countries of the world. He has authored books on Islam and comparative Religion. He has also participated in several symposiums and dialogues, with prominent personalities of other Religious faiths.
(Dr. Mohammed) May I announce, after the talks by both the speakers and the response session, we would be having an open Question and Answer session. So those who have come late, kindly note, we'll have questions on the mikes, followed by questions on index cards. Ladies and gentlemen, may I call upon Dr. Zakir Naik to present his talk.
(Dr. Zakir) …(Arabic)… Respected Dr. William Campbell, Dr. Maracuss, Dr. Jamal Badavi, Br. Samuel Nauman, Dr. Mohammed Naik, my respected elders and my dear brothers and sisters, I welcome all of you with the Islamic greetings… 'As Salaamo Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatahu. May peace mercy and blessings of Allah Subhanawataala be on all of you. The topic of today's dialogue is 'The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of Science.' The Glorious Qur'an is the last and final Revelation which was revealed to the last and final Messenger Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him. For any book to claim that it is a Revelation from Almighty God, it should stand the test of time. Previously in the olden days, it was the age of miracles - Alhamdulillah, the Qur'an is the miracle of miracles. Later on came the age of literature and poetry, and Muslims and Non Muslims alike, they claim the Glorious Qur'an to be the best Arabic literature available on the face of the Earth. But today is the age of science and technology. Let us analyze whether the Qur'an is compatible or incompatible with modern science. Albert Einstein said… 'Science without Religion is lame, and Religion without Science is blind'. Let me remind you that the Glorious Qur'an is not a book of Science…S-C-I-E-N-C-E, It is a book of signs S-I-G-N-S… It is a book of Ayats. And there more than 6000 signs… Ayats in the Glorious Qur'an out of which more than a thousand speak about science. As far as my talk regarding Qur'an and Science is concerned, I will only be speaking about scientific facts which has been established. I will not be speaking about scientific hypothesis and theories, which are based on assumption without any proof, because we all know many a times science takes U-turns. Dr. William Campbell who wrote a reply to the book of Dr. Maurice Bucaille… 'The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of history and science' - He says in his book, that there are two types of approaches. One is a concordance approach - Which means a person tries to bring compatibility between the Scripture and science. And the other is the conflict approach, in which a person tries to bring a conflict between Scripture and science, like how Dr. William Campbell has done very well. But as far as the Qur'an is concerned, irrespective whether a person uses a conflicting approach, or a concordance approach – As long as you are logical, and after a logical explanation is given to you, not a single person will be able to prove a single Verse of the Qur'an, in conflict with established modern science. Dr. William Campbell has pointed out various alleged scientific errors in the Qur'an, and I am supposed to actually refute in the rebuttal. But since he chose to speak first, I will be refuting a few points in my talk - I will reply to the major part of his talk, mainly dealing with Embryology and with Geology. The remaining InshaAllah, InshaAllah, I will try my level best to reply in the rebuttal. I have to do both - I cannot do injustice to the topic. The topic is… 'Qur'an and Bible in the light of Science.' I cannot only speak about one Scripture - Dr. William Campbell hardly spoke about one or two points about the Bible, which I will deal with InshaAllah. I will speak about both InshaAllah, - I want to do justice to the topic. As far as Qur'an and modern Science is concerned, in the field of 'Astronomy', the Scientists, the Astronomers, a few decades earlier, they described, how the universe came into existence - They call it the 'Big Bang'. And they said… 'Initially there was one primary nebula, which later on it separated with a Big Bang, which gave rise to Galaxies, Stars, Sun and the Earth, we live in.' This information is given in a nutshell in the Glorious Qur'an, in Surah Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse No. 30, which says…. (Arabic).... Do not the unbelievers see…? …. (Arabic)…. 'That the heavens and the earth were joined together, and we clove them asunder.' Imagine this information which we came to know recently, the Qur'an mentions 14 hundred years ago. When I was in school, I had learned that the Sun in respect to the Earth - it was stationary - the Earth and the Moon, they rotated about in axis, but the sun was stationary. But when I read a Verse of the Qur'an saying, in Surah Al–Ambiya, Ch.. 21 Verse No. 33, it says…. (Arabic). … 'It is Allah who has created the night and the day.'…. (Arabic)…. The sun and the moon…. (Arabic)…. Each one travelling in an orbit with its own motion. Now Alhamdulillah, modern science has confirmed the Qur'anic statement. The Arabic word used in the Qur'an is 'Yasbahoon', which describes the motion of a moving body. When it refers to a celestial body, it means it is rotating about its own axis. So Qur'an says the sun and the Moon, they revolve as well as rotate about their own axis. Today we have come to know that the Sun takes approximately 25 days to complete one rotation. It was Edvin Hubbel who discovered that the universe is expanding. The Qur'an says in Surah Dhariyat, Ch. 51, Verse No. 47, that…'We have created the expanding universe' - The vastness of space. The Arabic word 'Mohsiana' refers to 'vastness' – 'the expanding universe.' Regarding the topics on Astronomy, which Dr. William Campbell touched, I will deal in the rebuttal, InshaAllah. In the field of 'Water cycle, Dr. William Campbell pointed out, certain things. The Qur'an describes the water cycle in great detail. And Dr. William Campbell mentioned 4 stages. In his book he mentions 4 (a) and (b) - the last one he did not mention in the slide - I don't know why? It says... 'The Driplinition'…'The Water table.' He missed out here - Maybe because it was not mentioned in the Bible. He said there is not a single Verse in the Qur'an, which speaks about 'evaporation.' Qur'an says in Surah Al-Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, that….(Arabic)…. 'By the capacity of the heavens to return.' And almost all the commentaries of the Qur'an - they said, that this Verse of Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning 'Evaporation.' Dr. William Campbell who knows Arabic, may say…'Why did not Allah Subhanawa Taala specifically mention….(Arabic) …. Meaning… 'The capacity of the heavens to return back rain.' Why did not Allah mention specifically? Now we have came to know why did not Allah do that, in His Divine wisdom. Because today we have came to know that besides - the Ozonosphere… the layer above the earth - Besides returning back rain, it even returns back other beneficial matter and energy of the Earth, which is required by the human beings. It does not only return back rain - Today we have come to know, it even returns back waves of Telecommunication, of Television, of Radio, by which we can see TV, we can communicate, we can hear the radio. And besides that, it even returns back the harmful rays of the outer space, back on the other side, and absorbs. For example the sun light… the ultraviolet rays of the Sun light is absorbed by the Ionosphere. If this was not done, life on the Earth would have ceased to exist. So Allah Subhanawataala is far superior and for more accurate, when He says…. (Arabic)…. By the capacity of the Heaven to return.' And the remaining things as he mentioned is there in the Qur'an - You can refer to my Videocassette. The Qur'an describes the 'Water cycle' in great detail. Regarding what he said about the Bible, he showed stage 1 and stage 3 in the first slide, and in the second stage 1, 3, and then 2. 'That the rain water is taken up'… he says… 'and then the rain water comes down on the Earth.' This is the philosophy of Phasofmillitas, in 7th century BC. He thought that the spray of the ocean was picked up by the wind, and send to the interior as rain. There is no cloud mentioned there. In the second quotation Dr. William Campbell gave - First is, according to him, 'evaporation' which we agree. We don't mind having the concordance approach with the Bible. '…Then rain falls down, and then are the clouds formed.' - That is not the complete water cycle. Alhamdulillah, the Qur'an describes the water cycle in great detail, in several places. How does the water rise, evaporates, forms into clouds - the clouds join together, they stalk up, there is thunder and lightning, water comes down, the clouds move into the interior, they fall down as rain, and the evaporation of the water table and Alhamdulillah in great detail. The Qur'an speaks about the water cycle in great detail, in several places. In Surah Nur, Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 43, in Surah Rum, Ch. No. 30, Verse 48, in Surah Al-Zumar, Ch. 39, Verse 21, in Surah Muminun, Ch. 23, Verse 18, in Surah Rum Ch. No. 30, Verse No. 24, in Surah Al-Hijr, Ch. 15, Verse No. 22, in Surah Araf Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 57, in Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 17, in Surah Furqan, Ch. 25, Verse No. 48 and 49, in Surah Fatir, Ch. No. 35, Verse No. 9, in Surah Yasin, Ch. 36, Verse No. 34, in Surah Jathiya, Ch. 45, Verse No. 5, in Surah Qaf, Ch. No. 50, Verse No. 9, in Surah Al-Waqiah, Ch. No. 56, Verse No. 68 and 70, in several places, Surah Al-Mulk,Ch. 67, Verse No. 30, the Glorious Qur'an speaks about the 'Water cycle', in great detail. Dr. William Campbell spent maximum time on Embryology'… about half his talk - quite a lot on Geology - and touched on other six topics - I've noted down. In the field of Geology, we have come to know today - the Geologists, they tell us, that the radius of the Earth is approximately 3750 miles, and the deeper layers, they are hot and fluid, and cannot sustain life. And the superficial part of the Earth's crust, which we live on, it is very thin - Hardly 1 to 30 miles. Some portions are thicker, but majority one to 30 miles. And there are high possibility that this superficial layer, the Earth's crust - it will shake. It is due to the 'Folding phenomenon', which gives rise to mountain ranges, which gives stability to this Earth. And Qur'an says in Surah Nabaa, Ch. No. 78, Verse No. 6 and 7…'We have made the Earth as an expanse…. (Arabic) ….and the mountains as stakes.' The Qur'an does not say, mountains were thrown up as stakes… mountain as stakes. Arabic word 'Autaad' means 'stakes'… meaning 'tent peg'. And today we have come to know in the study of modern Geology, that mountain has got deep roots. This was known in the second half of the 19th century. And the superficial part that we see of the mountain, is a very small percentage. The deeper part is within - Exactly like a stake how it is driven in the ground. You can only see a small part on top… the majority is down in the ground - or like a tip of the ice berg…you can see the tip on the top and about 90% is beneath water. The Qur'an says in Surah Gashiya, Ch. 88, Verse No. 19, and Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79, Verse No. 32 ….. (Arabic) …. And We have made the mountains standing firm on the Earth' - Made the mountains standing firm on the Earth. Today after modern Geology has advanced, and Dr. William Campbell said that… 'By the theory of Platectonics - It was propounded in 1960, which gives rise to mountain ranges.' The Geologists today, do say that the mountains give stability to the Earth - Not all Geologists, but many do say. I have not come across a single Geological book, and I challenge Dr. William Campbell to produce a single Geological book - Not his personal correspondence with the Geologist. That does not carry weight. His personal correspondence with Dr. Keith Moore …. Documented proof. And if you read the book 'The Earth' which is referred by almost all the universities, in the field of Geology, one of its authors by the name of Dr Frank Press, who was the advisor to the former president of USA, Jimmy Carter, and was the president of the Academy of Science of USA. He writes in his book that…'The mountains are wedge shaped - It has deep roots within. And he says that…'The function of the mountain is to stabilize the earth.' And the Qur'an says in Surah Ambiya, Ch. No 21, Verse No. 31, in Surah Luqman, Ch. No. 31 Verse No.10, as well as in Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 15, that…'We have made the mountains standing firm on the Earth, lest it would shake with them and with you.' The function of the mountain in the Qur'an, is given to prevent the Earth from shaking. Nowhere does the Qur'an say that the mountain prevents the earthquake. And Dr. William Campbell said - He writes in his book, and even the talk, that… 'You find in the mountains regions, there are various earthquakes, and mountains cause earthquake.' Point to be noted - Nowhere does the Qur'an say that mountains prevent earthquake. The Arabic word for 'earthquake' as Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic, is 'zilzaal' or 'zalzala'- But the words used in these three Verses I quoted, it is 'Tamida.' 'Tamida' means 'to shake', 'to 'sway', 'to swing.' And Qur'an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No. 10, as well as Surah Nahl, Ch. No. 16 Verse No. 15…'We have put on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it would shake with you. It is 'tamide bikum'…'Shake with you', Indicating, if the mountains were not there, if you would have walked, if you would have moved, even the earth would have moved with you - If you would have swayed, even the earth would have swayed with you. And we know normally when we walk on the Earth, the Earth does not shake, and the reason for this is, according to Dr. Frank Press and Dr. Najjat who is from Saudi Arabia, and he wrote a full book on the Geological concepts in the Qur'an, answering almost every thing what Dr. William Campbell has said - in detail. And Dr. William Campbell in his book, he writes that…'If mountains prevent the shaking of the earth, then how come you find earthquakes in the mountains regions.' I said, No where does the Qur'an say, mountains prevent earthquake. Earthquake is 'zilzaal' - and if you see the definition in the Oxford dictionary, it says… Earthquake is due to convulsion of the superficial crust of the Earth, due to relief of compressed Siesmic waves, due to crack in the rock, or due to volcanic reaction. The Qur'an speaks about 'zalzala' in Surah Zalzaal, Ch. 99 - But here it speaks about 'tamida bikum'- 'to prevent the earth from shaking with you.' And in reply to the statement…'That if mountains prevent earthquakes, how come you find earthquakes in mountainous regions ?' The reply is, that - If I say that medical doctors, they prevent the sickness and disease in a human being, and if someone argues…'If doctors prevent the sickness and diseases in a human being, how come you find more sick people in the hospitals, where there are more doctors than at home - where there are no doctors.' In the field of Oceanology, the Glorious Qur'an says, in Surah Furqan, Ch. No. 25, Verse No. 53, that…'It is Allah who has let free two bodies of following water - One sweet and palatable, the other salt and bitter. Though they meet, they do not mix. Between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed. Qur'an says in Surah Rahman, Ch. 55 Verse No. 19 and 20……. (Arabic) ……'It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water. Though they meet, they do not mix. Between them there is barrier, which is forbidden to be trespassed.' Previously the commentators of the Qur'an wondered…'What does the Qur'an mean? We know about sweet and salt water - But between them there is a barrier - though they meet do not mix. Today after advancement of Oceanology, we have come to know, that whenever one type of water flows into the other type of water, it looses its constituents, and gets homogenized into the water it flows. There is a slanting homogenizing area, which the Qur'an refers to as 'Barzak' 'unseen barrier' And this has been agreed upon by several Scientists, even of America, by the name of Dr. Hay - he is an Oceanologist. And Dr. William Campbell writes in his book that…'It is an observable phenomena. The fisherman of that time knew there were two types of water… salt and sweet So Prophet Mohammed during an expedition to Syria, he may have gone in the sea, or he might have spoken to these fishermen.' Sweet and salt water is an observable phenomenon, I agree - But people did not know that there was an unseen barrier, until recently. The Scientific point to be noted here is the 'Barzak' - not the sweet and the salt water. In the field of Embryology, Dr. William Campbell spent approximately half of his talk on that. Time will not permit me to reply to every small thing which are illogical. I'll just give a brief reply, which will be satisfactory InshaAllah. And for more details, you can refer to my Video cassette – 'Qur'an and Modern Science', and my other cassettes on… 'Qur'an and Medical Science.' There were a group of Arabs who collected the data dealing in the Qur'an about 'Embryology' and the Hadith dealing with Embryology. And they presented it to Professor Keith Moore, who was the chairman and the head of the department of 'Anatomy', in the university of Toronto, in Canada - And at present he is one of the leading scientist in the field of 'Embryology.' After reading the various translations of the Qur'an, he was asked to comment, and he said… 'Most of the Verses of the Qur'an and the Hadith, are in perfect conformity with Modern Embryology. But there are a few Verses which I cannot say that they are right neither can I say that they are wrong, because I myself don't know about it. And two such Verses were the first two Verses of the Qur'an to be revealed, from Surah Iqra or Surah Alaq , Ch. 96 Verses No. 1 and 2 which says…(Arabic)… 'Read, recite or proclaim in the name of thy Lord, Who created, Who created the human beings from something which clings - a leech like substance. Regarding Dr. William Campbell's statement that…'To analyse the meaning of a word, we have to see what was the meaning at that time when it was revealed'-At that time when the book was written. And he rightly said that to analyze the meaning, we have to analyze the meaning at the time it was revealed, and to the people whom it was meant for. As far as this statement of his is concerned, regarding the Bible, I do agree with it totally - Because the Bible was only meant for the children of Israel, for that time. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 5 and 6, Jesus Christ peace be upon him tells his disciples… 'Go ye not in the way of the Gentiles.' Who are the Gentiles? The Non-Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims 'But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' Jesus Christ peace be upon him said in the Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 24… 'I am not sent, but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' So Jesus Christ and the Bible, were only meant for the children of Isreal. Since it was meant for them, to analyze the Bible, you have to use the meaning of the word, which was utilized at that time. But the Qur'an was not meant only for the Arabs of that time - Qur'an is not meant only for the Muslims. The Qur'an is meant for the whole of humanity, and it is meant to be for eternity. Qur'an says in Surah Ibrahim, Ch. 14, Verse. 52, in Surah Baqarah Ch. No. 2, Verse 185, and Surah Zumar Ch. 39, Verses. 41, that the Qur'an is meant for the whole of human kind. And Prophet Mohammed, may peace be upon him, was not sent only for the Muslims or the Arabs. Allah says in the Qur'an in Surah Ambiya Ch. No. 21, Verse No. 107------(Arabic)----That We have send thee as a mercy, as a guidance, to the whole of humankind.' So as far as the Qur'an is concerned, you cannot limit the meaning only for that time, because it is meant for eternity. So one of the meaning of 'Alaqa'… is 'leech like substance' or 'something which clings.' So professor Keith Moore said… 'I did not know whether the early stage of the embryo looks like a leech' And he went into his laboratory, and he analyzed the early stage of an embryo, under a microscope and compared it with the photograph of a leech, and he was astonished at the striking resemblance. This is a photograph of a leech, and human embryo. What Dr. William Campbell showed you is the other perspective of it. If I show this book - it looks like a rectangle - If I show you like that, it is a different perspective. That diagram is given in the book - The diagram which you saw on the slide is even there - And I'll deal with it InshaAllah. Professor Keith Moore, after about 80 questions were asked to him, he said… 'If you would have asked me these 80 questions, 30 years ago, I would not be able to answer more than 50 percent - Because embryology has developed recently in the past 30 years.' He said this in the eighties. Now, do we believe Dr. Keith Moore whose statement is available outside in the foyer - his videocassette is available… 'This is the truth'...'Anna-ul-Haq'... recorded statement. So will you believe Dr. William Campbell's personal conversation with Professor Keith Moore, or the one mentioned in this book, with Islamic edition as well as the photograph that I had shown to you? And in the videocassette available outside you can see it - He makes those statements. So you have to choose which is more logical - Personal discussion with Dr. William Campbell or his statement on Video. Like how Dr. William Campbell showed my video - 100 percent proof what I said… 'Moon is reflected light' - I'll come to it later on. And whatever additional information he got from Qur'an and Hadith, it was incorporated later into this book…'The Developing Human' - the 3rd edition nd this book got an award for the best medical book written by a single author in that year. This is the Islamic edition that was put forward by Shaikh Abdul Majeed Al-Jindani and certified by Keith Moore himself. The Qur'an says in Surah Muminun, Ch. 23 Verse No. 13, and Surah Haj Ch. 22, Verse No. 5, and no less than 11 different places in the Qur'an, that the human beings have been made from a 'nutfaa' 'minute quantity of liquid'…like a trickle that is remaining in the cup. 'Nutfa' in Arabic… a very small quantity. Today we have come to know, that in one seminal emission, in which there are several millions of sperms, only one is required to fertilize the ovum - 'The Qur'an refers as 'nutfa.' Qur'an says in Surah Sajda Ch. 32 Verse no. 8…'We have created the human beings from 'Sulalah' - That means the best part of a whole. The one sperm which fertilizes the ova out of the millions of sperms, the Qur'an refers to as 'Sulalah'…'best part of the whole.' And Qur'an says in Surah Insan, Ch. 76 Verse No. 2…'We have created the human beings from 'nutfatunamshaj'…a minute quantity of mingled fluid' - referring to the sperm as well as the ovum - Both are required for the fertilization. The Qur'an describes the various embryological stages in great detail, of which the slides were shown to you - Dr. William Campbell, he helped me to complete this topic. It is mentioned in Surah Muminun Ch. 23, Verses No. 12 to 14 - The translation is that…'We have created the human beings from a 'nutfa.' – 'A minute quantity of liquid.' Then placed it in 'cararemakeen' - a place of security. Then We made it into an 'Alaqa' - a leech like substance - something which clings - a congealed clot of blood. Then We made that 'Alaqa' into a 'Mutga' a 'chewed like lump.' Then We made the 'Mutga' into 'Izama'…bones. Then clothed the bones with 'leham'… flesh. Then We made it a new creature. Blessed be Allah Who is the best to create. These 3 Verses of the Qur'an, speak about the various embryological stages in great detail. First the nutfa placed in a place of security - Made into an 'Alaqa', Alaqa has got 3 meanings - One is 'something' which clings', and we know that in the initial stages, the embryo clings to the uterine wall and continues clinging till the end. Point No.2, that it also means a leech like substance, and as I discussed earlier, the embryo in the initial stages, does look like a leech. Besides looking like a leech - it also behaves like a leech - It receives its blood supply from the mother' like a bloodsucker. And the 3rd meaning which Dr. William Campbell objected to - that is the right meaning… 'the congealed clot of blood'- And that is why Qur'an has a scientific error. And I do agree with him that Dr. William Campbell did not agree. He said how can it mean a congealed clot of blood, because if this is the case, then the Qur'an is wrong. am sorry to say Qur'an is not wrong - Dr. William Campbell with due respect to him… He is wrong. Because today…today…after advancement of embryology, even Dr. Keith Moore - He says that… 'In the initial stages, the embryo, besides looking like a leech, also looks like a congealed clot of blood, because in the initial stages, of the stage of 'Alaqa', 3 to 4 weeks, the blood is clotted within closed vessels. And Dr. William Campbell made it easy for me - He showed you a slide. It will be difficult for you to see - But this is the slide he showed you. This is exactly what Professor Keith Moore said… 'Looks like a clot, in which the blood is clotted within closed vessels And during the 3rd week of the embryo, the blood circulation does not take place - it starts later on - Therefore it assumes the appearance of a clot. And if you observe the conspectus - that is after abortion takes place, you can see, it look like a clot. Only one line answer is sufficient to answer all the allegations of Dr. William Campbell is that, the stages of the Qur'an while it describes the embryological stages, is only based on appearance… Appearance. First is the appearance of the 'Alaqa' , a 'leech like substance' as well as a clot of blood.' And Dr. William Campbell rightly said that some ladies come and ask… 'Please remove the clot' - It does look like a clot And the stages are based on appearance. It is created from something, which appears like a clot, which appears like a leech, and is also something which clings. Then the Qur'an says… 'We made the 'Alaqa' into 'Mutga' – a chewed like lump.' Professor Keith Moore took plastic seal, and bit between his teeth to make it look like a 'Mutga'- The teeth marks resembled the 'somites.' Dr. William Campbell said… 'When the 'Alaqa' becomes a 'Mutga' the clinging is yet there - It is there till 8 and a half months- So… the Qur'an is wrong.' I told you in the beginning, the Qur'an is describing the appearance. 'The leech like' appearance and the 'clot like' appearance, is changed to the 'chewed' like appearance. It yet continues to cling till the end - There is no problem. But the stages are divided on appearance - Not on the function. Later on the Qur'an says… 'We made the 'Mutga' into 'Izama'…bones - Then clothed the bones with flesh.' Dr. William Campbell said, and I do agree with him, that… 'The precursors of the muscles and the cartilagees… that is the bones, they form together - I agree with that. Today embryology tells us that the primordia of the muscles and the bones - they form together between the 25th and the 40th day, which the Qur`an refers to as the stage of 'mudga.' But they are not developed… they are not developed. Later on, at the end of the seventh week, the embryo takes form of human appearance - then the bones are formed. Today modern embryology says the bones are formed after the 42nd day, and it gives an appearance of a skeletal thing. Even at this stage when the bones are formed, the muscles are not formed. Later on, after the 7th week and the starting of 8th week, are the muscles formed. So Qur'an is perfect in describing first 'Alaqa', then 'Mutga', then 'Izama', then clothed with flesh, and when they form - the description is perfect. As Professor Keith Moore said that… 'The stages - that how it is described in modern embryology… stage 1,2,3,4,5, is so confusing, The Qur'anic stage on embryology describing on the base of appearance, and the shape, is far more superior.' Alhamdulillah. Therefore he said… therefore he said that… 'I have no objection in accepting that Prophet Muhammed is the messenger of God and that this Glorious Qur'an has to be a Divine Revelation, from Almighty God.' It is mentioned in Surah Nisa, Ch. No. 4, Verse No. 56, It speaks about 'Pain.' Previously the doctors, they thought that the brain was only responsible for feeling of 'pain.' Today we have come to know besides the brain, there are certain receptors in the skin, which are responsible for feeling of the pain, which we call as the 'pain receptors.' Qur'an says in such Surah Nisa Ch. 4, Verse 56, that… 'As to those who reject Our signs, We shall cast them into the hell fire, and as often as their skins are roasted, We shall give them fresh skin, so that they shall feel the pain. Indicating that there is something in the skin, which is responsible for feeling of pain, which the Qur'an refers to as 'pain receptors.' Professor Thagada Tagada Shaun, who is the head of the department of Anatomy, in Chang Mai University in Thailand, - Only on the basis of this one Verse, he proclaimed the Shahada, in the 8th Medical conference in Riyadh, and said …(Arabic)…. That… 'There is no God but Allah, and that Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, is the Messenger of Allah. I started my talk by quoting the Verse from the Glorious Qur'an from Surah… from Surah Fussilat, Ch. 41, Verse 53, which says…(Arabic) 'That soon We shall show them Our signs in the farthest reaches of the horizons, and into their souls, until it is clear to them, that this is the truth.' This one Verse was sufficient to prove to Dr. Thagada, Thagada Shaun, that Qur'an is a Divine Revelation. Some may require 10 signs, some may require 100. Some, even after a 1000 signs are given, they will not accept the truth. Qur'an calls such people, as in Surah Baqarah Ch. 2, Verse 18…(Arabic)… 'The deaf, the dumb, the blind, they will not return to the true path.' The Bible says the same thing in Gospel of Mathew, Ch. No. 13, Verse No. 13… 'Seeing they see not, hearing they hear not, neither will they understand.' nd regarding the other parts of 'Embryology', I will deal in my rebuttal InshaAllah, if time permits - I have to do justice to the other part also… regarding 'Bible in the light of science.' At the outset let me tell you, that Qur'an says in Surah Rad, Ch. 13, Verse. 38, that… 'We have given several Revelations.' y name only 4 are mentioned - The Torah, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur'an. The Torah is the 'Wahi' the 'Revelation', which was given to Prophet Moses, peace be upon him. The Zaboor is the 'Wahi', which was given to David, peace be upon him. The Injeel is the 'Wahi', the 'Revelation' which was given to Jesus, peace be upon him. And Qur'an is the last and final Revelation, which was given to the last and final Messenger Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him. Let me make it very clear to every one, that this Bible which the Christians believe to be the word of God, is not the 'Injeel' which we Muslims believe, was revealed to Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. This Bible according to us, it may contain the words of God - But it also contains words of Prophets, words of historians, it contains absurdities, obscenity, as well as innumerable scientific errors. If there are scientific points mentioned in the Bible - there are possibilities - why not? It may be part of the word of God, in the Bible. But what about the scientific errors ? - What about the unscientific portions? - Can you attribute this to God ? want to make it very clear to my Christian brothers and sisters - The purpose of my presentation on 'Bible and science' is not to hurt any Christian's feeling. If while presenting, if I hurt your feelings, I do apologize in advance. The purpose is only to point out, that a God's Revelation cannot contain scientific errors. As Jesus Christ, peace be upon him said… 'Search ye the truth, and the truth shall free you.' We have the Old Testament, we have the New Testament - Now you should follow the Last and Final Testament, which is the Glorious Qur'an. As far as Dr. William Campbell is concerned, I can be more liberal with him - Because he has written a book 'The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of history and science.' He has given a presentation, and he is a medical doctor - I don't have to be very formal with him. As far as the other Christian brothers and sisters are concerned, I apologize if I hurt you feelings during the presentation. Let us analyse what the Bible says about modern science - First we deal with Astronomy., The Bible speaks about the creation of the universe. In the beginning, 1st Book, Book of Genesis, 1st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… 'Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 - hour day. Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur'an too speaks about six 'ayyams'. The Arabic word singular is 'yaum' plural is 'ayyam'. It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an 'yaum', an epoch. Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods. Point No.2 - Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…'Light was created on the first day.' enesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… 'The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day'. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific. Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… 'Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day? Point No..4, Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… 'Earth was created on the third day.' Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…'The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.' Today science tells us… 'Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.' It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific. Point No. 5, the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…'The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ? Point No.6, that the Bible says in Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses No.16, that…'God created two lights the greater light, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser light the Moon, to rule the night. The actual translation, if you go to the Hebrew text, it is 'lamps'…'Lamps having lights of its own.' And that you will come to know better, if you read both the Verses – Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…'And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.' Indicating, that Sun and the Moon has its own light - which is in contradiction with established scientific knowledge that we have. There are certain people who try and reconciliate, and say that the six days mentioned in the Bible, it actually refers to epocs - like the Qur'an long periods - not six, 24 hour day. It is illogical - you read in the Bible, evening, morning - It clearly states 24 hours, it indicates. But even if I use the concordance approach - no problem. I agree with your illogical argument - Yet they will only be able to solve the 1st scientific error of 6 days creation, and second, of first day 'light' and 3rd day 'earth.' The remaining four, yet they cannot solve. Some further say that… 'If it is a 24-hour period, why cannot the vegetables survive for one 24 hour day without sunlight?' I say 'Fine - If you say that the vegetables were created before the sun, and can survive for one 24-hour day, I have got no objection. But you cannot say the days mentioned are 24 hours as well as epochs - You cannot have the cake and eat it, both. If you say it is long period, you solve Point No.1 and 3, the remaining 4 are yet there. If you say the days are 24 hours day, you solve only Point No.5 - the remaining 5 are yet there - It becomes unscientific. I leave it to Dr. William Campbell, whether he wants to say… 'It is long period', and say that there are only 4 scientific errors - or say… 'It is a 24 hour day', and say there is only 5 scientific errors in the creation of the universe. Regarding the concept of Earth, there are various Scientists who have described… 'How will the world end.' Hypothesis - Some may be right, some may be wrong. But either the world will perish or the world will live forever. Both cannot take place simultaneously – It is unscientific. But this is exactly what the Bible says. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the book of Hebrews, Ch. No.1 Verses No.10 and 11, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.102, Verse No.25 and 26, that…'Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, and they will perish.' Exactly opposite is mentioned in the book of Ecclesiastics, Ch. No.1, Verse No.4, and the book of Psalms, Ch. No.78, Verse No.69, that… 'The earth will abide forever.' I leave it to Dr. William Campbell to choose which of the two Verses are unscientific - the first pair or the second pair. One has to be unscientific - Both cannot take place. The world cannot abide forever as well as perish – It is unscientific. Regarding 'the Heavens', the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…'The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.' Qur'an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…'The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don't you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says heaven have got pillars. Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… 'Even the earth have got pillars.' In the field of 'Diet and Nutrition' lets analyse, what does the Bible say. The Bible says in the book of Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No.29, that… 'God has given you all the herbs bearing seeds, the trees bearing fruits - those that bear seed, as meat for you.' New International Version says… 'The seed bearing plants, and the trees bearing fruits bearing seeds are food for you, all of them.' Today, even a layman knows that there are several poisonous plants like wild berries, stritchi, datura, plants containing alkaloid, polyander, bacaipoid - that which if you ingest, if you eat there are high possibilities you may die. How come the Creator of the universe and the human beings, does not know, that if you have these plants, you will die. I hope Dr. William Campbell does not give these vegetarian diet to his patients. The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… 'There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.' This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the 'confirmatory test' for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the 'falsification test' That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test. I have read the book 'The Qur'an and the Bible in the light of history and science' written by Dr. William Campbell. And I assume - that he is a true Christian believer, and at least I would like him to confirm to me about the falsification test. Please be rest assured… Please be rest assured, I will not ask Dr. William Campbell to have deadly poison - Because I don't want to jeopardize the debate. What I'll do - I will only ask him to speak in foreign tongues… In new languages. And as many of you may be aware that India is a land, which has more than 1000 languages and dialects. Only thing I request him is, to say these 3 words… 'One hundred rupees', in the 17 official languages. There are only 17 official languages in India and to make it easier for Dr. William Campbell, I have got a 'One hundred-rupee note.' And this has all the 17 languages mentioned here. Besides English and Hindi, I will help him. I give him a beginning –'Ek sav rupaiya, In Hindi.
The remaining 15 languages are here - I request him to read. I know the test says… 'They will speak foreign languages on their own, without the help of reading' - but I want to make the test easier, I want to see someone passing the test - I've not seen any one. So if he cannot say it on his own, or from his memory, at least read it. I don't mind I'll accept it. And I would request the chairperson to give it to Dr. William Campbell. He has his rebuttal - 15 languages, 'Ek sav rupaiya'… 3 words only. What does the Bible say regarding 'Hydrology'? Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.9, Verse No.13 to 17, that… 'After God, at the time of Noah submerged the world by flood, and after the flood' subsided, He said… 'I put up a rainbow in the sky as a promise to the humankind never to submerge the world again, by water. To the unscientific person it may be quite good… 'Oh rainbow is a sign of Almighty God, never to submerge the world by flood again.' But today we know very well, that rainbow is due to the refraction of sunlight, with rain or mist. Surely there must have been thousands of rainbows before the time of Noah, peace be upon him. To say it was not there before Noah's time you have to assume that the law of refraction did not exist - which is unscientific.' In the field of medicine, the Bible says in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.14, Verse No.49 to 53 - it gives a novel way for disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy… disinfecting a house from plague of leprosy. It says that… 'Take two birds, kill one bird, take wood, scale it - and the other living bird, dip it in water… and under running water - later on sprinkle the house 7 times with it.
Sprinkle the house with blood to disinfect against plague of leprosy? You know blood is a good media of germs, bacteria, as well as toxin - I hope Dr. William Campbell does not use this method of disinfecting the OT, the operation theatre. It is mentioned in the book of Leveticus, Ch. No.12, Verse No.1 to 5, and we know medically, that after a mother gives birth to a child, the post-partal period, it is unhygienic. To say it is 'unclean', Religiously - I have got no objection. But Leviticus, Ch. No.12 Verse No.1 to 5, says that… 'After a woman gives birth to a male child, she will be unclean for 7 days, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 33 days more. It she give birth to a female child, she will be unclean for two weeks, and the period of uncleanliness will continue for 66 days. In short, if a woman gives birth to a male child… 'a son', she is unclean for 40 days. If she gives birth to a female child… 'a daughter', she is unclean for 80 days. I would like Dr. William Campbell to explain to me scientifically, how come a woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a female child, as compared to a male child. The Bible also has a very good test for adultery - How to come to know a woman has committed adultery, in the book of Numbers, Ch. no.5 Verse No..11 to 31. I'll just say in brief. It says that… 'The priest should take holy water in a vessel, take dust from the floor, and put it into the vessel - And that is the bitter water 'And after cursing it, give it to the woman And if the woman has committed adultery, after she drinks it, the curse will enter her body, the stomach will swell, the thigh will rot, and she shall be cursed by the people. If the woman has not committed adultery, she will remain clean and she will bear the seed. A novel method of identifying whether a woman has committed adultery or not. You know today in the world, there are thousands of cases pending in different parts of the world, in different courts of law - only on the assumption that someone has alleged that a woman has committed adultery. I had read in the newspapers, and I came to know from the media, that the President of this great country Mr. Bill Clinton, he was involved in a sex scandal about 2 years back. I wonder, that why did not the American court use this 'bitter water test' for adultery? He would have gone scot-free immediately. Why did not the Christian missionaries of this great country, specially those who are in the medical field like my respected Dr. William Campbell, use this bitter water test to bail out their President, immediately. 'Mathematics' is a branch, which is closely associated with science, with which you can solve problems, etc. There are thousands of contradictions in the Bible - hundreds deal with mathematics, and I'll first touch on few of them. It is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.1, and Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.6, the context that… 'When the people returned from exile, from Babylon, when king Nebucheldeser of Babylon, when he released the men from Israel, they came back from captivity' - and the list of the people are given. The list is given in Ezra, Ch. No.2, Verse No.2 to 63, and Nehemiah Ch. No.7, Verse No.7 up to 65; the list is given with the names as well as number of people released. In these 60 Verses there are no less than 18 times - the name is exactly the same but the number is different. There are no less than 18 contradictions in less than 60 Verses, of these two Chapters. This is the list - I don't have time to run through the list - There are no less than 18 different contradictions in less than 60 Verses. Further it is mentioned in Ezra, Ch. No.2 Verse No.64 that… 'The total congregation, if you add up… if you add up, it comes to 42,360.' And if you read in Nehemiah, Ch. No.7, Verse No.66, there also the total is the same 42,360. But if you add up all these verses - which I had to do my homework - this is the list of Ezra… this is the list of Nehemiah. Ezra Ch. No 2, Nehemiah Ch. No 7 - If you add up - I had to do my homework…if you add up, Ezra Ch. No. 2 - It does not come to 42,360 - it comes to 29,818. And if you add up Nehemiah, Ch. No. 7, even then it does not come to 42,360 - It comes to 31,089. The author of the Bible, presumed to be 'Almighty God', does not know simple addition. If you give this problem, even to a person who has passed elementary school, he will be able to get the right answer. If you add up all the 60 Verses, it is so easy. Almighty God did not know adding – Nauzubillah… if we presume, that this is the word of God. Further if we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…'There were 245 singing men and women.' Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction. It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Ch. No 24, Verse No 8, that…'Jehoiachin was 18 years old, when he began to reign Jerusalem, and he reigned for 3 months and 10 days. 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 36, Verse No 9, says that…'Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign and he reigned for 3 months, 10 days. Was Jehoiachin 18 years when he began to reign, or was he 8 years old? Did he reign for 3 months, or did he reign for 3 months 10 days? Further it is mentioned in the 1st Kings, Ch. No 7, Verse No 26, that…'In Solomon's temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 4, Verse No 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths? – That, I leave it upon Dr. William Campbell to decide which is correct. There is a clear-cut mathematical contradiction. Further more it is mentioned in the First Kings, Ch. No. 15, Verse No. 33, that… 'Basha, he died in the 26th year of reign of Asa.' And 2nd Chronicles Ch. No 16, Verse No 1, says that…'Basha invaded Judah in the 36th years of the reign of Asa.' How can Basha invade 10 years after his death? - It is unscientific. To make it easier for Dr. William Campbell, to answer to the points I have raised, I will just mention it in brief -The points that I mentioned. The first point was that -'The creation of the Earth and the Heaven - the universe was in six, 24-hour days. Light was then before the source of light - Point No. 2. Three - Day came into existence before creation of Earth. Point No. 4 - Earth came into existence before Sun. Point No. 5 - Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight Point No. 6 - Light of the Moon is its own light. Point No. 7 - The earth - Will it perish or will it abide forever? Point No. 8 - The earth has got pillars. Point No. 9 - The heavens have got pillars. Point No. 10 - God said… 'You can have all plants and all vegetation, including the poisonous plants?' Point No. 11 - The scientific test the falsification test, of Mark, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 17 and 18. Point No. 12 - A woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a daughter, as compared to a son. Point No. 13 - Using blood to disinfect the house, against plague of leprosy. Point No. 14 – How do you find out the bitter water test for adultery? Point No. 15 - Eighteen different contradictions in less than 60 Verses of Ezra, Ch. 2, and Nehemiah, Ch. 7. I did not count them as 18 different - I counted them only as one. Point No. 16 - The total is different is both the chapters. Point No. 17 - Are there 200 singing men and women, or are there 245 singing men and women? Point No. 18 - Was Jehoiachin 18 years old, or was he 8 years old when he began to reign? Point No. 19 - Did he reign for 3 months, or 3 months 10 days. Point No. 20 - Did Solomon had 3000 baths, or 2000 baths? Point No. 21 - Is that Basha, how could he invade Judah, 10 years after his death? Point No. 22 is - Almighty God - He said, I put up a rainbow in the sky, as a promise to the human kind, never to submerge the world again by water. I have listed only 22, out of the hundreds available unscientific points in the Bible… scientific errors - And I request Dr. William Campbell to answer them. And irrespective whether he uses the 'concordance approach' or the 'conflict approach'… as long as he is logical, he will never be able to prove scientifically, all these 22 aspects I have told him. We agree in Jesus Christ peace be upon him - to him was revealed the Injeel. This is not the Injeel - It may contain part of God - But the other unscientific portion is not the word of God. I would like to end my talk by giving the quotation of the Glorious Qur'an, from Surah Baqarah, Ch. No. 2, Verse 79 …. (Arabic)…. 'Woe to those who write the book with their own hands, and then say this is from Allah, to traffic with it for a miserable price. Woe to those for what they write, woe to those for what they earn.' Wa Aakim Dawana Anil Hamdulillahi Rabbil Aalameen .
(Dr. Mohammed) I would request the audience to bear with us, and maintain due decorum, for the continuation of this dialogue. Now I call upon Dr. William Campbell to present his response, to Dr. Zakir Naik.
(Dr. William Campbell) Well Dr. Naik has brought up some real problems - And there are also these problems that he has said. I do not deny them, and I don't have good answers for them. But I will tell about… (Clapping)… We are going to make a mathematical study of prophesies - called the theory of probabilities. Estimate … and we will estimate the possibility, that these prophesies could be fulfilled by chance.
(Dr. Mohammed) I now call upon Dr. Zakir Naik, to present his response to Dr. William Campbell.
(Dr. Zakir) Dr. William Campbell only touched on 2, out of the 22 points I made - only 2. You can only solve 2 problems. The 'six day creation problem', and 'first day light came', and 'the third day, Earth' - But the remaining four problems, yet is there. So Dr. William Campbell chose to say 'Days are long period'- and out of 6, he solved 2 scientific errors. The remaining 4 of 'the creation of the universe' , he does agree to it -That is good. The King James Version, as well as the New International Version, which Dr. William Campbell refers to… 'Drink deadly poison' – 'Not eat'… 'Drink.' Dr. William Campbell does not know there are Indians out here - Surely many may know Gujarati, Marathi - Even I know. If I ask you… 'Shu che….?' Dr. William Campbell did not reply to my 20 points, and he started speaking about 'Prophesy.' What has 'Prophesy' to do with 'Science in the Bible.' If 'Prophesy' is the test - But even if there is one unfulfilled prophesy, the whole Bible is disproved to the word of God. I can give you a list of unfulfilled prophecies - According to your theory of… theory of probability, Bible is not the word of God. Irrespective whether you use the 'conflict approach' or the 'concordance approach' , if your logical, you will not be able to take out a single Verse of the Qur'an, which is contradicting - Neither a single Verse which is against the established science. If Dr. William Campbell cannot understand the Qur'an - That does not mean, Qur'an is wrong. Bible says in Job, Ch. No. 10, Verse No. 9 and 10 that… 'We have made the human beings from clay, like poured out milk and curdled cheese.' 'Poured out milk and curdled cheese'… is the exact plagerization from Hypocrites.
(Q) Yes, I would like to pose this question, or rather this test to Dr. William Campbell. Why don't you attempt the falsification test of the Bible, given in the book of Mark, Ch. 16, Verses 17 and 18, and prove to the audience here right now, that you are a true Christian believer?
(Q) My question is to Dr. Zakir Naik. The Christians explain the concept of 'trinity' scientifically, by giving the example of water, which can be in there states - solid , liquid and gas, in the form of ice, water and vapour. Similarly one God, is a triune God - Father , Son and Holy ghost. Is this explanation scientifically correct?
(Dr. Zakir) The word 'trinity' is not there in the Bible, but it is there is the Qur'an.
(Q) Dr. Zakir, you said… there is not any mistake in Qur'an. I see more than 20 mistakes in Arabic grammar, and I will tell you some of them. ….(Arabic) …. He said in Baqarah. And then in Haj ….(Arabic) .…Which is right - 'assabeun' or 'assabreen.' 'Number 1 and number 2'... He said.
(Dr. Mohammed) Brother, one question at a time please.
(Q) Ya .. Since …the thing …. He said in Surah Taha, 63 …. (Arabic) ….Mistake ! …. (Arabic) ….Can you explain that ?
(Dr. Zakir) And the book he is referring to is by Abdul Faadi. Abdul Faadi… Correct ?… 'Is the Qur'an infallible?' I can see something ….ya…. Alhamdulillah my eye sight is good.
(Q) Dr. Campbell, since you are a medical doctor, could you please explain scientifically, the various medical aspects, that in the Bible, regarding - because you did not answer them in your rebuttal. , For example… Blood used as a disinfectant , Bitter water test for adultery, and most importantly , that the woman is unclean for double the period, when she gives birth to a daughter, than as compared to a son.
(Q) Okay Dr. Campbell, if you cannot answer the contradictions in Genesis, regarding 'Creation' - don't you think that proves that the Bible is unscientific, and therefore not from God?
(Dr. Campbell) I admit that I have some problems with this.
(Dr. Zakir) The Muslim yard stick 'the Qur'an', is far superior to your yard stick 'the science' - therefore you should believe in Qur'an, which is far superior.
(Q) Dr. Campbell agreed to Dr. Naik, that the errors he showed are not wrong, and that he cannot answer them. So does this mean that Dr. Campbell agrees that the Bible has errors - so it is not the word of God ?
(Dr. Campbell) There are things in the Bible that I cannot explain - that I do not have any answer for now.
(Dr. Zakir) How can a son be two years older than the father? Believe me, even… even in Hollywood film, you will not be able to produce it.
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